Unrealistic summer transfer wankfest III

[Jason]

Lads, it's July 7th long way to go yet.

It's not like football manager, in real life it takes time, and is a game of multiple moving parts between many clubs.

also I don't mind the club not rolling over at 1st push back from Brentford.

We need to reset the image and rep set under Woodward era.

The only way we can not let Brentford screw us over if if we actually move on from Mbuemo and sign someone else.
We don't have to sign him right away, I agree. But we'll need to attempt to sign multiple targets.
Dragging this on until the end of August is what Woodward would do.

I fail to understand the quantum of work that's needed to sign a player. Once a target has been identified, surely the effort taken to negotiate the fee should be trivial? I get that transfers will take time, in terms of days to months because the clubs cannot agree to a deal. The actual effort however should be trivial where each team comes up with numbers and counter offers.

I keep hearing the club is "focusing on buying or selling player X" - as if they can't make multiple offers to many clubs at the same time.

They are obviously working on multiple deals, it's not just mbuemo.

And the issue with selling(or buying) it a game of chess, clubs know we want(need)to sell garnacho(or antony/sancho/rashford), they are banking on the longer its left, the more bargaining they have, as clubs know we need to sell.

Other clubs may also need to sell to buy(as we will after mbuemo money is gone] so that has to happen before player x is bought

Honestly, it's not like your going into tesco and buying a pint of milk.

If people can't see the intricacies in putting together and agreeing deals worth 10s of millions of pounds, I'm not sure how i can clear it up.

[dozer]

Lads, it's July 7th long way to go yet.

It's not like football manager, in real life it takes time, and is a game of multiple moving parts between many clubs.

also I don't mind the club not rolling over at 1st push back from Brentford.

We need to reset the image and rep set under Woodward era.

The only way we can not let Brentford screw us over if if we actually move on from Mbuemo and sign someone else.
We don't have to sign him right away, I agree. But we'll need to attempt to sign multiple targets.
Dragging this on until the end of August is what Woodward would do.

I fail to understand the quantum of work that's needed to sign a player. Once a target has been identified, surely the effort taken to negotiate the fee should be trivial? I get that transfers will take time, in terms of days to months because the clubs cannot agree to a deal. The actual effort however should be trivial where each team comes up with numbers and counter offers.

I keep hearing the club is "focusing on buying or selling player X" - as if they can't make multiple offers to many clubs at the same time.

They are obviously working on multiple deals, it's not just mbuemo.

And the issue with selling(or buying) it a game of chess, clubs know we want(need)to sell garnacho(or antony/sancho/rashford), they are banking on the longer its left, the more bargaining they have, as clubs know we need to sell.

Other clubs may also need to sell to buy(as we will after mbuemo money is gone] so that has to happen before player x is bought

Honestly, it's not like your going into tesco and buying a pint of milk.

If people can't see the intricacies in putting together and agreeing deals worth 10s of millions of pounds, I'm not sure how i can clear it up.

I can't see the intricacies and you clearly don't know the answer to be able to clear that up for me. Peddling vague crap like it's not like buying milk isn't clarifying shit.

If Ineos can only negotiate one deal at a time then we're doomed to suffer another decade of mediocrity. I've been hearing this "focusing on player x" for a decade now.

How does this work? The transfer team offer Brentford 40m plus 10 in bonuses. Brentford staff check with their ceo and decide they want 65m paid fully. They reject the offer after a week. Staff play video games in the meantime.

Our staff then hold a meeting to decide what to pay next. They come up with 50m plus 15 in addons. It takes an hour to decide. We send the new offer after another week to not appear desperate and also perhaps because this needs multiple approvals. Okay, so play more video games until then.

Brentford get the offer, hold a meeting and say 60 plus 5 addons. Respond after a week to not appear desperate. Play more video games. I think this is where we are now. I've probably been generous because I think this has actually taken even longer.

Jason asks the staff wtf is going on, where are the transfer in and outs. The staff tell him to fuck off because it's not like buying milk. They can only do one deal at a time with at least a week before every offer.

[dozer]

Lads, it's July 7th long way to go yet.

It's not like football manager, in real life it takes time, and is a game of multiple moving parts between many clubs.

also I don't mind the club not rolling over at 1st push back from Brentford.

We need to reset the image and rep set under Woodward era.

The only way we can not let Brentford screw us over if if we actually move on from Mbuemo and sign someone else.
We don't have to sign him right away, I agree. But we'll need to attempt to sign multiple targets.
Dragging this on until the end of August is what Woodward would do.

I fail to understand the quantum of work that's needed to sign a player. Once a target has been identified, surely the effort taken to negotiate the fee should be trivial? I get that transfers will take time, in terms of days to months because the clubs cannot agree to a deal. The actual effort however should be trivial where each team comes up with numbers and counter offers.

I keep hearing the club is "focusing on buying or selling player X" - as if they can't make multiple offers to many clubs at the same time.

What you're forgetting is that 99% of all transfer stories are assumptions and regurgitation of already know stuff for clicks. United are the biggest ticket in town so we're the main target for these click merchants. That's what you "keep hearing".

I get what you're saying with the negotiations but I'd imagine it's both parties finding creative ways to make the deal work best for them, rather than pure cash. The assumption is that Brentford are driving a hard bargain, and if you believe the more reliable sources, they asked us to match the Cunha fee and then said no anyway (pettiness like that could hurt them in the future TBF), but we simply don't know for certain if it's not United being slow. Easily possible as we have a very tight budget that is basically all gone on two players if Mbeumo happens.

Another angle no-one is really considering (as it's being painted as a saga or shitshow)... Maybe United are happy with how it's going? Mbeumo has said he only wants us, Brentford have shown they aren't above being petty and are trying to control the narrative but surely Mbeumo's party see that too. We could plan other things and let Brentford stew, knowing we're the only option for a sale? Not saying that's for certain but this is where the next month or so will be interesting. To see how they navigate this stuff without just paying what the seller wants up front out of desperation.

I get that we can't close deals quickly. Clubs will drag transfers.
What do the transfer staff do in the meantime? Do they have any real work?

But I do think that it's true that we seem to only negotiate one deal at once. The rumours get stronger from reputed sources and we basically get a confirmation from the likes of Ornstein before the official news is out. In the last decade, this seems to happen once at a time. The confirmation reports are spaced out well enough for it to look like, we only process incoming and outgoings in a queue.

Obviously I don't think the plan accommodates for the staff to be sitting there twiddling thumbs but I suspect this is the outcome because of bureaucracy.
I've worked in companies where approvals for trivial tasks sometimes took months - it's very common, at least in corporate jobs.

[Fuck the Glazers]

Lads, it's July 7th long way to go yet.

It's not like football manager, in real life it takes time, and is a game of multiple moving parts between many clubs.

also I don't mind the club not rolling over at 1st push back from Brentford.

We need to reset the image and rep set under Woodward era.

I think it's the fact we have 5 players that have to go, and then be replaced. And that's clearly not gonna happen.

We'll probably sell Malacia, maybe Garnacho although no one is in for him, then probably have to loan Antony, Sancho and Rashford cos of their wages demands. Sancho will probably leave for free next summer.

And then we'll probably pay over the odds for Mbeumo and that's it. Maybe one more.

So it's not the overhaul we wanted. It's not even close.

[Jason]

Lads, it's July 7th long way to go yet.

It's not like football manager, in real life it takes time, and is a game of multiple moving parts between many clubs.

also I don't mind the club not rolling over at 1st push back from Brentford.

We need to reset the image and rep set under Woodward era.

I think it's the fact we have 5 players that have to go, and then be replaced. And that's clearly not gonna happen.

We'll probably sell Malacia, maybe Garnacho although no one is in for him, then probably have to loan Antony, Sancho and Rashford cos of their wages demands. Sancho will probably leave for free next summer.

And then we'll probably pay over the odds for Mbeumo and that's it. Maybe one more.

So it's not the overhaul we wanted. It's not even close.

I don't think antony is on high wages, he's transfer is doable.

It's rashford and sancho who will be problematic. Sancho is a curse, and will 100% be away on a free next summer.

In any case, for all the doom and gloom on here, let's look at positives.

1st full preseason for amorim.
Amad back fit.
If we do get mbuemo, we have revamped the attacking lineup( yes cf is needed, but we can hope that cunha and mbuemo help relieve some of the pressure for goals, and also make him a better player.
Dorgu continue to develop(lot of raw potential)
Yoro continue to grow into his role.
Heaven continue his development.
1 game per week, relieve some pressure on the physical side of the squad, and more training time.
All these things will make us better.

Cherry on top would be a gk,cm, cf, but hard to see all of those happening, let's hope Amorim can do something to utilise Kobbie more in the new season.

It's easy to say sell the shit, but who is going to buy the shit, when others know they are shit!

I'd also say that we obviously weren't using any of antony/rashford /sancho in the 2nd part of the season, so its not like we need to replace like for like to be in a better place(if that makes sense)
The actual team will be better off than it was even if its just cunha and mbuemo(for now)

[Felwin]

Think it might be partly because I read that Football Taught By Matt Busby book that one of the lads on the podcast wrote and partly because I'm one of those who remembers the ups and downs of the 80s, but I'm fairly relaxed about the future at the moment. Honestly think it's alright if a cultural reset takes years and that we're shit for a while yet, there's no rush IMO. I get the clamour and the feeling that we're massivley behind and only falling further off, but I still genuinely believe fortunes can turn on a dime, even in this age where everything is analysed beyond sense.

Good players are expensive and we'll need them to progress. There is no magic fix by simply selling underperforming players and/or putting faith in kids. An overhaul in one window either requires a hell of a lot more money than we have to spend, or 100% hit-rate on incoming signings.

For me the most important thing is sticking with a manager and getting players in who want it and aren't just here for the payday. It's that simple. The rest is essentially just noise IMO.

[Felwin]

Lads, it's July 7th long way to go yet.

It's not like football manager, in real life it takes time, and is a game of multiple moving parts between many clubs.

also I don't mind the club not rolling over at 1st push back from Brentford.

We need to reset the image and rep set under Woodward era.

I think it's the fact we have 5 players that have to go, and then be replaced. And that's clearly not gonna happen.

We'll probably sell Malacia, maybe Garnacho although no one is in for him, then probably have to loan Antony, Sancho and Rashford cos of their wages demands. Sancho will probably leave for free next summer.

And then we'll probably pay over the odds for Mbeumo and that's it. Maybe one more.

So it's not the overhaul we wanted. It's not even close.

I don't think antony is on high wages, he's transfer is doable.

It's rashford and sancho who will be problematic. Sancho is a curse, and will 100% be away on a free next summer.

In any case, for all the doom and gloom on here, let's look at positives.

1st full preseason for amorim.
Amad back fit.
If we do get mbuemo, we have revamped the attacking lineup( yes cf is needed, but we can hope that cunha and mbuemo help relieve some of the pressure for goals, and also make him a better player.
Dorgu continue to develop(lot of raw potential)
Yoro continue to grow into his role.
Heaven continue his development.
1 game per week, relieve some pressure on the physical side of the squad, and more training time.
All these things will make us better.

Cherry on top would be a gk,cm, cf, but hard to see all of those happening, let's hope Amorim can do something to utilise Kobbie more in the new season.

It's easy to say sell the shit, but who is going to buy the shit, when others know they are shit!

I'd also say that we obviously weren't using any of antony/rashford /sancho in the 2nd part of the season, so its not like we need to replace like for like to be in a better place(if that makes sense)
The actual team will be better off than it was even if its just cunha and mbuemo(for now)

Agree with all of this.

I'm not "optimistic" by any stretch but it feels in terms of squad management like a corner has been turned. Yoro, Dorgu and Heaven are all highly rated youngsters that were signed before they were hyped into galacticos. The opportunistic signings last summer bolstered the squad for not much outlay. Cunha and Mbeumo are 2 of the best players in the PL that won't cost £100m+.

I'd take a fairly low-key season and a decent cup run. I'm more bothered about the football being watchable but that's increasingly unlikely these days anyway with all the prep they do. Next summer we phase out more big-earners and shite from the Woodward years and then we can start expecting more.

[dozer]

We are not doing anything to shed out reputation where players can sign up and coast here for the next decade if they want. People say we can't get rid of all the dross. That's fair, but the intent isn't there - that's the problem. . We know that the club intends to sell Malacia, Garnacho, Sancho, Antony and Rashford. What about the rest?
I think the club wants to keep the dross.

Mount, Hojlund, Shaw, Lisandro and Onana must also be sold but I don't think we have any such plans.

[Jason]

Mount - manager loves him, you should know this, he's on massive wages, no chance he is sold.
Hojlund- wouldn't break even on psr, and would leave us with obi Martin as our cf.
Shaw - not sure I need to get into why noone will go near him. Massive wage, constantly injured.
Lisandro - was playing well, has had bad luck, let's see if he comes back from the current one, he's quality if he can come back.
Onana - again, unlikely to get close to psr if we were to sell, and is probably on a hefty wedge as well.


In an ideal world, yes we can ship likes of these out for better/fitter players, but like I've said before, this is not football manager.

[Fuck the Glazers]

Think it might be partly because I read that Football Taught By Matt Busby book that one of the lads on the podcast wrote and partly because I'm one of those who remembers the ups and downs of the 80s, but I'm fairly relaxed about the future at the moment. Honestly think it's alright if a cultural reset takes years and that we're shit for a while yet, there's no rush IMO. I get the clamour and the feeling that we're massivley behind and only falling further off, but I still genuinely believe fortunes can turn on a dime, even in this age where everything is analysed beyond sense.

Good players are expensive and we'll need them to progress. There is no magic fix by simply selling underperforming players and/or putting faith in kids. An overhaul in one window either requires a hell of a lot more money than we have to spend, or 100% hit-rate on incoming signings.

For me the most important thing is sticking with a manager and getting players in who want it and aren't just here for the payday. It's that simple. The rest is essentially just noise IMO.

Think that's the book written by Wayne Barton? He's sound, like a United Wikipedia.

I could probably do with reading it cos I recognise that I'm a bit doom and gloom. I think we are in Britain in general tbf cos we're in decline. What's happened to United is happening in other industries as well.