Unrealistic summer transfer wankfest III

[Jason]

I just think Ratcliffe bought a stake 18 months ago. The sale was agreed well before that, in 2023. 18 months / 2 years is a long time in football. It moves fast. Ineos are dragging their heels getting the recruitment sorted. As everyone knows it's vital in today's game. They've also made mistakes like hiring Ashworth. I think they're trying their best but they're struggling.

It'll be because once Ineos finally got in, they began to learn just how badly set up the footballing departments were. Ashworth was a silly mistake, I think they believed it showed they could act quickly and hire correctly but that back fired. It'll be revolving door for a while until the right person is found.

While the door is revolving, they need to ensure we stay in the Prem and make the club profitable again. Suppose we'll see if Ineos are capable of that.

Sid, we not going to be relegated ffs.

"I wasn't expecting a total rebuild, or even half. I expect progress given that we finished 15th. It could easily have been 17th. And the fact that statistically our form under Amorim would have got us relegated had we appointed him earlier. It's urgent. But if they're still hiring key positions on the recruitment side then we'll do well to stand still this summer."

Let's try and look at the positives, if we are in the bottom 3 at Christmas, then yea, you can start to talk about us being relegated.

There's too much pessimism here. I'm not expecting a cl challenge, but let's see how we get on, with a proper pre season, some more recruitment, top half finish, and move from there.

[Felwin]

About £13.6m coming in from sell-on fees for Alvaro Fernandez and Elanga.

Watch Brentford put their asking price up by exactly £13.6m

[Fuck the Glazers]

I just think Ratcliffe bought a stake 18 months ago. The sale was agreed well before that, in 2023. 18 months / 2 years is a long time in football. It moves fast. Ineos are dragging their heels getting the recruitment sorted. As everyone knows it's vital in today's game. They've also made mistakes like hiring Ashworth. I think they're trying their best but they're struggling.

It'll be because once Ineos finally got in, they began to learn just how badly set up the footballing departments were. Ashworth was a silly mistake, I think they believed it showed they could act quickly and hire correctly but that back fired. It'll be revolving door for a while until the right person is found.

While the door is revolving, they need to ensure we stay in the Prem and make the club profitable again. Suppose we'll see if Ineos are capable of that.

Sid, we not going to be relegated ffs.

"I wasn't expecting a total rebuild, or even half. I expect progress given that we finished 15th. It could easily have been 17th. And the fact that statistically our form under Amorim would have got us relegated had we appointed him earlier. It's urgent. But if they're still hiring key positions on the recruitment side then we'll do well to stand still this summer."

Let's try and look at the positives, if we are in the bottom 3 at Christmas, then yea, you can start to talk about us being relegated.

There's too much pessimism here. I'm not expecting a cl challenge, but let's see how we get on, with a proper pre season, some more recruitment, top half finish, and move from there.

I doubt we'll be relegated tbf because we'll prioritise stabalising our position and sack Amorim if the form continues. But if we don't, we could be. It's possible. Ineos have to get it right.

There's too much "we're man utd, we'll be fine" arrogance from some fans as if reality - like debt, interest rates, FFP, bad management & bad decisions etc - don't apply because we've got lots of fans. I'm not saying this is you btw, it's more a thing on twitter.

In the 7 months Amorim was manager, we were in relegation form. Fact. If he'd had been manager for 8 or 9 months and the results trended the same (why wouldn't they), we would have been relegated.

My head is in reality. I'm not gonna post on here about top 4, signing 3/4 players, european football etc when that's not where we're at. We don't have the money or recruitment system in place. The priority for the club right now is nothing to do with football, it's becoming profitable and building a new stadium. The football side needs to stabalise - cos it's falling horrifically - and then tick over while the bigger contextual problems are solved. As Ed says, you can't cut your way to success which is what we're doing at the minute, largely out of necessity. When that changes, and we can invest, we'll compete.

[Jason]

I just think Ratcliffe bought a stake 18 months ago. The sale was agreed well before that, in 2023. 18 months / 2 years is a long time in football. It moves fast. Ineos are dragging their heels getting the recruitment sorted. As everyone knows it's vital in today's game. They've also made mistakes like hiring Ashworth. I think they're trying their best but they're struggling.

It'll be because once Ineos finally got in, they began to learn just how badly set up the footballing departments were. Ashworth was a silly mistake, I think they believed it showed they could act quickly and hire correctly but that back fired. It'll be revolving door for a while until the right person is found.

While the door is revolving, they need to ensure we stay in the Prem and make the club profitable again. Suppose we'll see if Ineos are capable of that.

Sid, we not going to be relegated ffs.

"I wasn't expecting a total rebuild, or even half. I expect progress given that we finished 15th. It could easily have been 17th. And the fact that statistically our form under Amorim would have got us relegated had we appointed him earlier. It's urgent. But if they're still hiring key positions on the recruitment side then we'll do well to stand still this summer."

Let's try and look at the positives, if we are in the bottom 3 at Christmas, then yea, you can start to talk about us being relegated.

There's too much pessimism here. I'm not expecting a cl challenge, but let's see how we get on, with a proper pre season, some more recruitment, top half finish, and move from there.

I don't think we will be relegated because we'll prioritise stabalising our position and sack Amorim if the form continues. But if we don't, we could be. It's possible. There's too much "we're man utd, we'll be fine" arrogance from some fans as if reality - like debt, interest rates, FFP, bad management & bad decisions etc - don't apply because we've got lots of fans.

In the 7 months Amorim was manager, we were in relegation form. Fact. If he'd had been manager for 8 months and the results trended the same (why wouldn't they), we would have been relegated.

My head is in reality. I'm not gonna post on here about top 4, signing 3/4 players, top players, european football etc when that's not where we're at. We don't have the money or recruitment system in place. The priority for the club right now is nothing to do with football, it's becoming profitable and building a new stadium. The football side needs to stabalise - cos it's falling horrifically - and then tick over while the bigger contextual problems are solved. As Ed says, you can't cut your way to success which is what we're doing at the minute, largely out of necessity. When that changes, and we can invest, we'll compete.

We can agree to disagree. I'm not saying we are going to get top 4, I'm saying there is as much reason for us to get top half as there is relegated. You talk about the relegation form being a fact.

Without going all benetiz, is it not a fact that he is having his 1st preseason.

Also a fact he'll have our 2nd best player in amad back fit.

And even with just cunha and mbuemo, it's a completely reformed attack, and that is were we failed last year, we couldn't score any goals.

These are all things to give some hope going into the new season.

I'm not saying the club isn't financially still fucked( and probably will be until the Glazers are gone) im aware of all the things stacked against the club on that end, but I'm not just saying we won't get relegated because we are united, I'm saying we won't get relegated based on the above, and I have some faith in the manager to turn it around.

If you cant have any hope that things can get better, what's rhe point!

[dozer]

Chelsea have already agreed deals to sell Madueke and Petrovic for good fees. I wonder what our 10/10 staff are doing.

[Felwin]

Pretty much where I am, Jason. No delusion, but trying to enjoy what I can.

[Felwin]

Chelsea have already agreed deals to sell Madueke and Petrovic for good fees. I wonder what our 10/10 staff are doing.

The hard line the club is taking by casting the 5 players aside just makes them harder to sell for a good price. Being crap and telling everyone you don't want the crap just lowers the potential fee. We should've sold Garnacho for £70m in January TBF. Think we'll struggle to get £50m for him now. Strong chance we barely get £70m for all 5.

[Fuck the Glazers]

It'll be because once Ineos finally got in, they began to learn just how badly set up the footballing departments were. Ashworth was a silly mistake, I think they believed it showed they could act quickly and hire correctly but that back fired. It'll be revolving door for a while until the right person is found.

While the door is revolving, they need to ensure we stay in the Prem and make the club profitable again. Suppose we'll see if Ineos are capable of that.

Sid, we not going to be relegated ffs.

"I wasn't expecting a total rebuild, or even half. I expect progress given that we finished 15th. It could easily have been 17th. And the fact that statistically our form under Amorim would have got us relegated had we appointed him earlier. It's urgent. But if they're still hiring key positions on the recruitment side then we'll do well to stand still this summer."

Let's try and look at the positives, if we are in the bottom 3 at Christmas, then yea, you can start to talk about us being relegated.

There's too much pessimism here. I'm not expecting a cl challenge, but let's see how we get on, with a proper pre season, some more recruitment, top half finish, and move from there.

I don't think we will be relegated because we'll prioritise stabalising our position and sack Amorim if the form continues. But if we don't, we could be. It's possible. There's too much "we're man utd, we'll be fine" arrogance from some fans as if reality - like debt, interest rates, FFP, bad management & bad decisions etc - don't apply because we've got lots of fans.

In the 7 months Amorim was manager, we were in relegation form. Fact. If he'd had been manager for 8 months and the results trended the same (why wouldn't they), we would have been relegated.

My head is in reality. I'm not gonna post on here about top 4, signing 3/4 players, top players, european football etc when that's not where we're at. We don't have the money or recruitment system in place. The priority for the club right now is nothing to do with football, it's becoming profitable and building a new stadium. The football side needs to stabalise - cos it's falling horrifically - and then tick over while the bigger contextual problems are solved. As Ed says, you can't cut your way to success which is what we're doing at the minute, largely out of necessity. When that changes, and we can invest, we'll compete.

We can agree to disagree. I'm not saying we are going to get top 4, I'm saying there is as much reason for us to get top half as there is relegated. You talk about the relegation form being a fact.

Without going all benetiz, is it not a fact that he is having his 1st preseason.

Also a fact he'll have our 2nd best player in amad back fit.

And even with just cunha and mbuemo, it's a completely reformed attack, and that is were we failed last year, we couldn't score any goals.

These are all things to give some hope going into the new season.

I'm not saying the club isn't financially still fucked( and probably will be until the Glazers are gone) im aware of all the things stacked against the club on that end, but I'm not just saying we won't get relegated because we are united, I'm saying we won't get relegated based on the above, and I have some faith in the manager to turn it around.

If you cant have any hope that things can get better, what's rhe point!

I have hope we won't be relegated but I'm not as dismissive about it as you given that we've gone from 3rd to 8th to 15th in the last 3 seasons and are performing worse than all but the relegated teams. We also still don't have a functioning recruitment system, as Ratcliffe said, we're still relying on one bloke.

I don't have hope we'll be successful if successful means competiting for titles and the CL. I don't think that will come until the club is profitable again. We have no financial advantage over City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs let alone Madrid & Barca - not until the new stadium is built and we've paid off the debts that are due this year and in 2027. No team ever has won anything via cuts. Football requires investment.

My point originally is I hope Ineos don't let the football get too bad while they're sorting out the finances so we can be successful in the future. Might be pessimistic tbf, I just think it's realistic.

[dozer]

Chelsea have already agreed deals to sell Madueke and Petrovic for good fees. I wonder what our 10/10 staff are doing.

The hard line the club is taking by casting the 5 players aside just makes them harder to sell for a good price. Being crap and telling everyone you don't want the crap just lowers the potential fee. We should've sold Garnacho for £70m in January TBF. Think we'll struggle to get £50m for him now. Strong chance we barely get £70m for all 5.

Whatever. These are reasons, but it's their job to sell the players and do it well for good fees and they're not done shit yet.

Everyone knows Ratcliffe is full of shit, because he announced a 2bn stadium after saying we have no money and the only signing we have is a player we signed up for the release clause so there's no top negotiating skills there.

We've not walked away from Mbuemo because we likelu don't have multiple targets.
We can't seem to work on more than one deal at a time.

[Fuck the Glazers]

Onana has a hamstring injury and is going to miss all of the preseason tour, but they're still taking him. So it looks like they're not going to get rid this summer.

Bayindir reportedly wants to leave to get more game time but has sent his people to talk to United, possibly for a new deal, if he's going to feature more.

Tom Heaton has been given a contract extension.

Bit of a shit show in the goalkeeper department tbh. Don't think to will be sorted this summer.