Ratcliffe, INEOS and the future

[Fuck the Glazers]

Nick Harris has done a 12 year investigation into team GB and British cycling of which David Brailsford was director, and basically it looks like they were all cheating.

I don't think we should play this down.

The notion of incremental changes or marginal gains exhibiting compounded benefits sounded like bro science anyway. I'm not sure tbf, so I don't have strong opinions on this.

Eh?

I think I understand. The alleged scale and effectiveness of the doping was enough to create complete dominance of cycling for years. Like City; from nowhere to a near shut out. Or the obvious one, Lance Armstrong who dominated for an impossible length of time. Truly impossible. Team GBs success was bizarre, an outlier - and not really achievable through fair means.

It's not marginal gains, it's significant gains.

I just think some of these individuals have been discredited and I don't trust em.

What I meant was Dave was apparently a genius because he peddled and also incorporated this marginal gains strategy. He would make incremental changes like change the paint colour of the room or the bus the athletes used, and other similar minor changes supposedly had benefits that compound over time.

My instincts told me this was bro science but again, I don't know enough so I'm not sure myself.

Ah, fair dos. Yeah I'm with you on that. Some of the marginal gains stuff sounds like bolloxology.

[Felwin]

Nick Harris has done a 12 year investigation into team GB and British cycling of which David Brailsford was director, and basically it looks like they were all cheating.

I don't think we should play this down.

The notion of incremental changes or marginal gains exhibiting compounded benefits sounded like bro science anyway. I'm not sure tbf, so I don't have strong opinions on this.

Eh?

I think I understand. The alleged scale and effectiveness of the doping was enough to create complete dominance of cycling for years. Like City; from nowhere to a near shut out. Or the obvious one, Lance Armstrong who dominated for an impossible length of time. Truly impossible. Team GBs success was bizarre, an outlier - and not really achievable through fair means.

It's not marginal gains, it's significant gains.

I just think some of these individuals have been discredited and I don't trust em.

For me the annoying bit is that once we start playing dirty, we are basically legitimising Abu Dhabi's corruption. So if we've got some cheating cunt involved and Ratcliffe is aspiring to the kind of rule twisting that all the other state clubs do, then we're fucked basically. We might look like a better footballing operation in 2-3 years but if that's at some massive ethical cost then that'll be it for me. No better than Qatar. Without the state level doping but still with all the same tactics.

Something related to corruption I heard raised the other day too that I didn't know. Both Yoro and Ugarte are Jorge Mendez clients. Is there a possibility that in spite of how much more sane our business looks so far, we're still getting Mendez to sort out deals for us? The fact that Ugarte isn't really rated highly or wanted by anyone else makes me worry he might get signed as part of the overall deal to get Yoro (terms been agreed since mid last week). And once again Mendez has us over a barrell.

[fat maradona]

Bottom line is that there is corruption and unethical dealings at all of these mega corporations. Regardless of whether it's retail, banking, football....all of them are at it in some form or other. The desire to generate profits and 'success' drives us humans to not care about rules and regs.

[Fuck the Glazers]

Nick Harris has done a 12 year investigation into team GB and British cycling of which David Brailsford was director, and basically it looks like they were all cheating.

I don't think we should play this down.

The notion of incremental changes or marginal gains exhibiting compounded benefits sounded like bro science anyway. I'm not sure tbf, so I don't have strong opinions on this.

Eh?

I think I understand. The alleged scale and effectiveness of the doping was enough to create complete dominance of cycling for years. Like City; from nowhere to a near shut out. Or the obvious one, Lance Armstrong who dominated for an impossible length of time. Truly impossible. Team GBs success was bizarre, an outlier - and not really achievable through fair means.

It's not marginal gains, it's significant gains.

I just think some of these individuals have been discredited and I don't trust em.

For me the annoying bit is that once we start playing dirty, we are basically legitimising Abu Dhabi's corruption. So if we've got some cheating cunt involved and Ratcliffe is aspiring to the kind of rule twisting that all the other state clubs do, then we're fucked basically. We might look like a better footballing operation in 2-3 years but if that's at some massive ethical cost then that'll be it for me. No better than Qatar. Without the state level doping but still with all the same tactics.

Something related to corruption I heard raised the other day too that I didn't know. Both Yoro and Ugarte are Jorge Mendez clients. Is there a possibility that in spite of how much more sane our business looks so far, we're still getting Mendez to sort out deals for us? The fact that Ugarte isn't really rated highly or wanted by anyone else makes me worry he might get signed as part of the overall deal to get Yoro (terms been agreed since mid last week). And once again Mendez has us over a barrell.

Absolutely. It discredits us. Ratcliffe has given his opinion on multi club ownership; he loves it. So we'll be using Nice to develop players for the host club, store players to get round FFP and who knows what else. He reportedly wants to buy more clubs too.

Thing is we'll never create an operation as effective as City's cos they're on a whole different level.

And yeah, the Mendez relationship stinks of corruption. It also suggests we still don't have an effective recruitment system, we're still going to agents and saying who have you got.

Speaking of cycling, I saw the UAE state sponsored team just won the tour de France. I'm sure that's all above board.

[Felwin]

Bottom line is that there is corruption and unethical dealings at all of these mega corporations. Regardless of whether it's retail, banking, football....all of them are at it in some form or other. The desire to generate profits and 'success' drives us humans to not care about rules and regs.

But until recently football was immune from the impact of big finance and mega corporations. Of course there's always been corruption but before the 2000s it was more about bending the rules, buying refs and on-pitch skullduggery rather than the high level stuff we have now. Cheating the odd game/title here and there was a disgrace as well, but cheating yourself into a position of ultimate dominance a la Abu Dhabi and then daring anyone to sue them and/or try and legally stop them is the absolute death of the game IMO. If Ratcliffe wants to play that game rather than stand in opposition and do things differently like Liverpool have done. then fuck him. I'd much rather support a United that operate like Liverpool have in the last decade and win the odd trophy, rather than gamble on another period of dominance by acting precisely like Abu Dhabi have.

Speaking of cycling, I saw the UAE state sponsored team just won the tour de France. I'm sure that's all above board.

Of course they have. Golf is moving to the middle east, Tennis is on the way, just a matter of time before a rival to FIFA/UEFA is founded in Saudi/UAE/Qatar and they organise a Super League, ordering the teams they own to become founding members. Ratcliffe would fucking jizz at the opportunity and sign us up in a heartbeat.

[Fuck the Glazers]

Here's the cycling / Brailsford story if anyone's arsed. It's being released in several parts. Looks like it's gonna hammer Brailsford. The house of cards may fall. It's already rocking. The doctor they appointed has recently been banned from all sports for doping. United recently appointed a new doctor...

Brailsford oversees Ineos' sport portfolio, and his main focus is United for the foreseeable.

https://sportingintelligence832.substac ... ns-cycling

[Fuck the Glazers]

They're gonna build a new stadium. It's the best option to bring in new revenue which is essential.

Spurs make more money than any other club from their ground cos it's not just massive, but was built to be suitable for concerts, NFL etc. Madrid & Barca have gone down that route too.

Ineos have consulted those that built the SoFi stadium in LA including doing an in depth analysis of the site. So it's probably gonna be a huge 100k bowl - hopefully with some English football / United character.

Could be a significant upgrade on City's in terms of revenue.

https://x.com/SkySportsNews/status/1817 ... aW8GA&s=19

[dozer]

They're gonna build a new stadium. It's the best option to bring in new revenue which is essential.

Spurs make more money than any other club from their ground cos it's not just massive, but was built to be suitable for concerts, NFL etc. Madrid & Barca have gone down that route too.

Ineos have consulted those that built the SoFi stadium in LA including doing an in depth analysis of the site. So it's probably gonna be a huge 100k bowl - hopefully with some English football / United character.

Could be a significant upgrade on City's in terms of revenue.

https://x.com/SkySportsNews/status/1817 ... aW8GA&s=19

It's not confirmed though is it?
It's just what Ineos prefer. Ratcliffe made that clear the minute he bought a stake at the club. The only new news is the specific 100k number.

[Fuck the Glazers]

They're gonna build a new stadium. It's the best option to bring in new revenue which is essential.

Spurs make more money than any other club from their ground cos it's not just massive, but was built to be suitable for concerts, NFL etc. Madrid & Barca have gone down that route too.

Ineos have consulted those that built the SoFi stadium in LA including doing an in depth analysis of the site. So it's probably gonna be a huge 100k bowl - hopefully with some English football / United character.

Could be a significant upgrade on City's in terms of revenue.

https://x.com/SkySportsNews/status/1817 ... aW8GA&s=19

It's not confirmed though is it?
It's just what Ineos prefer. Ratcliffe made that clear the minute he bought a stake at the club. The only new news is the specific 100k number.

The official decision will be made in december. They've probably released this 'news' to float the idea and see what people think. But it's a bit of a no brainer as it's the option that generates the most dosh. More seats, more execs, more hospitality, and the ability to host shitloads of non football events.

It also allows us to play at Old Trafford while the new stadium is built nextdoor. Renovating Old Trafford would see entire stands out of action, if not the whole thing, which would hit our match day income hard.

Probably a bit of a legacy thing for Ratcliffe as well as on his deathbed he can say he built the 'wembley of the north'

[Felwin]

The official decision will be made in december. They've probably released this 'news' to float the idea and see what people think. But it's a bit of a no brainer as it's the option that generates the most dosh. More seats, more execs, more hospitality, and the ability to host shitloads of non football events.

It also allows us to play at Old Trafford while the new stadium is built nextdoor. Renovating Old Trafford would see entire stands out of action, if not the whole thing, which would hit our match day income hard.

Probably a bit of a legacy thing for Ratcliffe as well as on his deathbed he can say he built the 'wembley of the north'

All the cunt cares about tbf