Jadon Sancho - Welcome.

[Jason]

Just another example of failed ownership.

We chased sancho for 2 years, to solve our right mf problem, and he can't even really play there.

While the player we actually needed for our cmf was sitting playing right beside him.

How the fuck can the scouts not say, actually jude Bellingham is what the club need.

[dozer]

Nah. Chelsea are a bad example. We don't need that many players.
It's very easy to get rid of players. Remember, we're only getting rid of the crap and we're not buying that many more than we did this season, unlike Chelsea
We only need 8 new players if we boot out all 17. I'd mentioned this in good detail in the transfer thread.
We got in 7 this season so it's more about booting players out. Even your Chelsea did a good job selling players.

You're living in dreamland thinking we can offload 17 and only bring in 8. Unless all 8 are first team ready - so an outlay of at least £500m (£600-700m with United prices) - then you're probably relying on lots of youth to plug gaps when injuries happen. A big risk when we're not talking a class of 92 style generation.

As for the 7 we got in this season. 1 is a backup GK, 2 are emergency loans and 1 is Johnny Evans (love that he's back but he shouldn't be a first teamer). So that's 3 signings for the first team. And you want 8 in one window and have explicitly said you'd prefer the Glazers to stay. Make your bloody mind up. Your plan requires Boehly style state investment and competence with sales because you won't raise £500m with those 17 outgoings - you'd be lucky to get £100m.

Anyway don't want to get off topic. Sancho looks to be done and tbf with Pellistri, Garnacho and Diallo now pressuring him for his place, if he's not giving his all then it's time to go. We won't sell him in Jan because we're fucking dense. He might go on loan to Dortmund but we'd pay all his wages. Maybe next summer shift him for £20m to the Bundesliga.

Not all of them have to be first 11 ready. Buy young talented players with not so high wages. We spent an average of 60m per first 11 player evening including add-ons. But it'll be cheaper since not all of them will be flagship first 11 players.

Our two new centre backs can be competition for the first 11, not established replacements like how Varane and lisandro was when we bought them. Same with our left back and centre forward. We don't have to buy mbappe.
One right winger and one right back must be an expected first 11 player but the other can be young competition so cheaper.

This can be done in 250m max. Plus the 17 outgoings and very high wage savings means we'll spend very little. Look at Amrabat who is not a flagship player. He would have cost £25m but we loaned him because of ffp.
Obviously if we only buy flagship players we'll lose money. That's already happening with our current strategy.

[Fuck the Glazers]

Sancho is probably unsellable. His value would be next to nothing and he’s supposedly being paid something like £300K a week by United.

I did some googling after reading this cos I'd forgotten how much we paid, and fuck me the Sancho deal is one of the worst of the Woodward era

We paid upwards of 100m with add ons, and he's on around 18/19m a year - so one of the highest earners.

He's scored 12 goals and contributed little else.

[JoelfuckingGlazer]

He's been dogshit. A complete waste of money. And we do it time and time again.

I can't for the life of me, figure out why Arnold (or before him Woodward) hasn't gone out to hire the best, proven recruitment specialists in world football. It seems blindingly obvious. And unless there's a complete gimme like the Kane situation in the summer, we shouldn't be spending more than 60m on any player. We're too bad at recruitment to keep making these obscenely expensive signings.

[fat maradona]

He's been dogshit. A complete waste of money. And we do it time and time again.

I can't for the life of me, figure out why Arnold (or before him Woodward) hasn't gone out to hire the best, proven recruitment specialists in world football. It seems blindingly obvious. And unless there's a complete gimme like the Kane situation in the summer, we shouldn't be spending more than 60m on any player. We're too bad at recruitment to keep making these obscenely expensive signings.

It's because United are a reactive club under Glazer ownership. The last time I saw any kind of future planning at the club was before the Glazers bought the club, when we were run by people who knew football. Since then it's only ever been about income maximising, living off past glories and reputation. While other clubs in the league find gems like Caicedo and Minamino for peanuts, we insist on buying big names like Sancho and Antony because it's what the stock market will react to.

In any other normal corporation like United, people would have been sacked and replaced by best in class mgmt. Not at United though, if you can stick a plaster over it then why bother with breaking it up and rebuilding it properly.

[dozer]

He's been dogshit. A complete waste of money. And we do it time and time again.

I can't for the life of me, figure out why Arnold (or before him Woodward) hasn't gone out to hire the best, proven recruitment specialists in world football. It seems blindingly obvious. And unless there's a complete gimme like the Kane situation in the summer, we shouldn't be spending more than 60m on any player. We're too bad at recruitment to keep making these obscenely expensive signings.

It's because United are a reactive club under Glazer ownership. The last time I saw any kind of future planning at the club was before the Glazers bought the club, when we were run by people who knew football. Since then it's only ever been about income maximising, living off past glories and reputation. While other clubs in the league find gems like Caicedo and Minamino for peanuts, we insist on buying big names like Sancho and Antony because it's what the stock market will react to.

In any other normal corporation like United, people would have been sacked and replaced by best in class mgmt. Not at United though, if you can stick a plaster over it then why bother with breaking it up and rebuilding it properly.

Have the previous owners been great or was this because of Fergie.
We weren't reactive under Fergie and Gill even during the Glazer period.

[bman2]

The Glazers bought a football club but never made any effort to learn how to run a football club. With Ferguson and David Gil, they didn’t have to. But when they left, it just turned into total amateur hour. It still amazes how incompetent the Glazers are as owners. They’re not businesspeople at all, they’ve no conception of running an organisation. They’re just absentee landlords, and the manage United like it was a shopping mall or apartment block. They’re used to just sitting there and the money comes in, but they’ve not the slightest clue how the money is made.

[dozer]

The Glazers bought a football club but never made any effort to learn how to run a football club. With Ferguson and David Gil, they didn’t have to. But when they left, it just turned into total amateur hour. It still amazes how incompetent the Glazers are as owners. They’re not businesspeople at all, they’ve no conception of running an organisation. They’re just absentee landlords, and the manage United like it was a shopping mall or apartment block. They’re used to just sitting there and the money comes in, but they’ve not the slightest clue how the money is made.

I agree. I'm just questioning if the previous owners were actually better or if they got lucky.

[bman2]

The Glazers bought a football club but never made any effort to learn how to run a football club. With Ferguson and David Gil, they didn’t have to. But when they left, it just turned into total amateur hour. It still amazes how incompetent the Glazers are as owners. They’re not businesspeople at all, they’ve no conception of running an organisation. They’re just absentee landlords, and the manage United like it was a shopping mall or apartment block. They’re used to just sitting there and the money comes in, but they’ve not the slightest clue how the money is made.

I agree. I'm just questioning if the previous owners were actually better or if they got lucky.

Well I suppose they were lucky. But at the same time, it’s difficult to imagine any other owners being as thick as the Glazers. I mean, they’re really fucking stupid, it’s staggering how incompetent they are.

[dozer]

The Glazers bought a football club but never made any effort to learn how to run a football club. With Ferguson and David Gil, they didn’t have to. But when they left, it just turned into total amateur hour. It still amazes how incompetent the Glazers are as owners. They’re not businesspeople at all, they’ve no conception of running an organisation. They’re just absentee landlords, and the manage United like it was a shopping mall or apartment block. They’re used to just sitting there and the money comes in, but they’ve not the slightest clue how the money is made.

I agree. I'm just questioning if the previous owners were actually better or if they got lucky.

Well I suppose they were lucky. But at the same time, it’s difficult to imagine any other owners being as thick as the Glazers. I mean, they’re really fucking stupid, it’s staggering how incompetent they are.

The Qatari owners of PSG seem pretty bad as well. I read somewhere once that he's consulting or directly involved with the Sheik Jassim bid. Idk if it's just a rumour.