Assessing our squad

[JoelfuckingGlazer]

14 goals conceded in 6 games. 10 in 3.

We need a rethink. Last season’s frustrating tight games were much better for confidence. Felt like we were a few steps away from having a good side. Now we feel miles off.

We've had some tough fixtures too, plus the injuries etc. I actually think we should persist with the way Hag wants to play and hope the players adjust and force their way through. We have to build to something longer term.

[dozer]

14 goals conceded in 6 games. 10 in 3.

We need a rethink. Last season’s frustrating tight games were much better for confidence. Felt like we were a few steps away from having a good side. Now we feel miles off.

We've had some tough fixtures too, plus the injuries etc. I actually think we should persist with the way Hag wants to play and hope the players adjust and force their way through. We have to build to something longer term.

Tbf in spite of his shortcomings, Hag has been very unlucky this season.
Three right wingers gone; 2 for alleged assault/rape and 1 dortmund jinx who's absolutely garbage on and off the pitch. Diallo is also injured and even if he's fit, how good is he?
Amrabat and Hojlund was injured for a while. Mount and Mainoo are out too.
A lot of defenders are out injured.

I fear Hag is shit at transfers though and that'll eventually be his undoing, even if he didn't have all this bad luck.

[bman2]

Ten Hag is a system manager, which takes more time to work. And when things aren’t working right, you’ve got problems everywhere. Mourinho and Ole kept it simple, knocked it long, and counted on spending big on forwards for a bit of magic, but there was a hard ceiling on how high we could go with that style of play. Problem Hag has is that at United you just get more scrutiny and less time than his counterparts at Liverpool and Arsenal.

[Felwin]

Ten Hag is a system manager, which takes more time to work. And when things aren’t working right, you’ve got problems everywhere. Mourinho and Ole kept it simple, knocked it long, and counted on spending big on forwards for a bit of magic, but there was a hard ceiling on how high we could go with that style of play. Problem Hag has is that at United you just get more scrutiny and less time than his counterparts at Liverpool and Arsenal.

Exactly this. And due to the scrutiny, our managers have to get pragmatic to save their jobs long enough. Hag has to do this. Protect the slow CM's and drop off a tiny bit. Not go full Mourinho, just tighten us up so we don't ship goals, he loses his job and we're back to square one with the next bloke.

[Fuck the Glazers]

Ten Hag is a system manager, which takes more time to work. And when things aren’t working right, you’ve got problems everywhere. Mourinho and Ole kept it simple, knocked it long, and counted on spending big on forwards for a bit of magic, but there was a hard ceiling on how high we could go with that style of play. Problem Hag has is that at United you just get more scrutiny and less time than his counterparts at Liverpool and Arsenal.

Exactly this. And due to the scrutiny, our managers have to get pragmatic to save their jobs long enough. Hag has to do this. Protect the slow CM's and drop off a tiny bit. Not go full Mourinho, just tighten us up so we don't ship goals, he loses his job and we're back to square one with the next bloke.

And there's no other option now. We've tried every manager, every style, every philosophy. We've got someone who plays modern, effective football, whose also got the right personality / attitude to be successful.

There's nothing else out there that makes you think let's give that a go.

[Felwin]

Ten Hag is a system manager, which takes more time to work. And when things aren’t working right, you’ve got problems everywhere. Mourinho and Ole kept it simple, knocked it long, and counted on spending big on forwards for a bit of magic, but there was a hard ceiling on how high we could go with that style of play. Problem Hag has is that at United you just get more scrutiny and less time than his counterparts at Liverpool and Arsenal.

Exactly this. And due to the scrutiny, our managers have to get pragmatic to save their jobs long enough. Hag has to do this. Protect the slow CM's and drop off a tiny bit. Not go full Mourinho, just tighten us up so we don't ship goals, he loses his job and we're back to square one with the next bloke.

And there's no other option now. We've tried every manager, every style, every philosophy. We've got someone who plays modern, effective football, whose also got the right personality / attitude to be successful.

There's nothing else out there that makes you think let's give that a go.

Have to admit, I’d have been tempted by Nagelsmann but by all accounts he’s an absolute nobhead. And he’s taking the Germany job.

I’d still watch him carefully though as a potential future appointment. Could be that the Bayern political machine made him look as mental as possible to justify sacking him. They did the same with Klinsmann back in the day. Very leaky dressing room when they want rid of someone.

[bman2]

I’m fairly satisfied with Hag so far. Yeah there’s lots of problems, but he obviously knows that. He doesn’t lose his head, I like that he keeps his cool and just keeps plugging away. He seems (so far) to be able to block out the noise. The beginning of last season was terrible, and after the first game or two I was worried that he didn’t get the PL at all, but he impressed me by digging out a reasonably successful season with very little to work with, especially in attack.

I’m not looking for a manager that can wave a magic wand — it’s not possible at this club in the current circumstances. But from what I’ve seen of Hag so far, he seems like the kind of manager that will have a couple of mediocre seasons that have a lot of people complaining, but then things will start to click. United isn’t a quick fix job, especially with our financial constraints.

He has made progress moving on that cluster of players getting paid massive wages but contributing little — he moved on De Gea and Ronaldo, and he tried to shift Maguire and Sancho. One problem is you need English or home grown replacements for those two, so even if you get someone to take them, replacing them requires a big outlay that we can’t afford.

The academy should be providing home grown talents to ease the pressure, but there’s not much coming out of our academy these days — yet more evidence that the people running the club are not doing their part to support the manager.

[swampash]

I’m fairly satisfied with Hag so far. Yeah there’s lots of problems, but he obviously knows that. He doesn’t lose his head, I like that he keeps his cool and just keeps plugging away. He seems (so far) to be able to block out the noise. The beginning of last season was terrible, and after the first game or two I was worried that he didn’t get the PL at all, but he impressed me by digging out a reasonably successful season with very little to work with, especially in attack.

I’m not looking for a manager that can wave a magic wand — it’s not possible at this club in the current circumstances. But from what I’ve seen of Hag so far, he seems like the kind of manager that will have a couple of mediocre seasons that have a lot of people complaining, but then things will start to click. United isn’t a quick fix job, especially with our financial constraints.

He has made progress moving on that cluster of players getting paid massive wages but contributing little — he moved on De Gea and Ronaldo, and he tried to shift Maguire and Sancho. One problem is you need English or home grown replacements for those two, so even if you get someone to take them, replacing them requires a big outlay that we can’t afford.

The academy should be providing home grown talents to ease the pressure, but there’s not much coming out of our academy these days — yet more evidence that the people running the club are not doing their part to support the manager.

Brings Ferguson’s early days to mind.

[Fuck the Glazers]

Just seen Martinez injured again

[fat maradona]

Brings Ferguson’s early days to mind.

I was about to post the same. He too had to deal with a bad culture at the club.