Greenwood

[swampash]

I do feel uneasy about the fact he’s being treated as if he was found guilty by a court, when in fact the charges were dropped because new evidence came to light that meant there was no prospect of a conviction. In other words, he would have been found not guilty if the case had gone to court.
Doesn’t the premise of ˋinnocent until proven guilty´ mean that legally he‘s innocent?

[dozer]

I do feel uneasy about the fact he’s being treated as if he was found guilty by a court, when in fact the charges were dropped because new evidence came to light that meant there was no prospect of a conviction. In other words, he would have been found not guilty if the case had gone to court.
Doesn’t the premise of ˋinnocent until proven guilty´ mean that legally he‘s innocent?

What was this new evidence?
This is all I found.


"We have made the decision to discontinue the prosecution of Mason Greenwood.
A combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction.
"

[Fuck the Glazers]

I do feel uneasy about the fact he’s being treated as if he was found guilty by a court, when in fact the charges were dropped because new evidence came to light that meant there was no prospect of a conviction. In other words, he would have been found not guilty if the case had gone to court.
Doesn’t the premise of ˋinnocent until proven guilty´ mean that legally he‘s innocent?

What was this new evidence?
This is all I found.


"We have made the decision to discontinue the prosecution of Mason Greenwood.
A combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction.
"

That's my understanding as well.

I know domestic abuse victims typically go back 7 times before separating - if they ever do. Coercive control is very powerful. It can also not be safe to leave.

So I wouldn't read a lot in to her dropping the charges and going back to him - especially someone rich and powerful as a talented young footballer.

The video we've all heard is hard to explain away.

[JoelfuckingGlazer]

I have the same emotional, instinctive reaction as anyone else listening to the recording. I'm also conscious thar there are almost certainly details and information we don't know, and trial by the court of public opinion or social media is a very slippery slope.

My own opinion is that I trust the club to do their due diligence and come to the right decision, based on the assumption that they'll have access to all the facts and detail.

[fat maradona]

Nearly everyone who has listened to that audio clip will have the same opinion about Greenwood. None of us want to associate ourselves with nor support such a person.

He was a young lad, too much money, too many bad influences and probably no one to guide him or teach him how to live life in the spotlight with more money than you know what to do with at that age. What he did wasn’t right but he was young and immature. Hopefully he’s learnt his lesson and hopefully he’s a better man for it. Time will tell whether he sticks by her and their kid.

I’m of the opinion that he wasn’t found guilty, that society should support his rehab and give him another chance. If the club decide to allow him back, then great. It’s the right thing to do. If they choose not to because of public pressure, then he should be allowed to resume his career elsewhere. He shouldn’t be punished for the rest of the life just because he made a mistake when he was an immature young boy.

[dozer]

Come on. He obviously should be binned off. Club should try to sell him if anyone will take him. It's clear he committed that crime and they've not exactly told us they're innocent and explained those videos. The girl instead withdrew the case and and got back together.

But legally they may not be in a position to make that call. Can the club punish him when the courts and the victim have not called him guilty?

[JoelfuckingGlazer]

Come on. He obviously should be binned off. Club should try to sell him if anyone will take him. It's clear he committed that crime and they've not exactly told us they're innocent and explained those videos. The girl instead withdrew the case and and got back together.

But legally they may not be in a position to make that call. Can the club punish him when the courts and the victim have not called him guilty?

The club have a few things to consider here. They can’t act on a punitive basis, because legally he’s in the clear. Not only that, but at some point, Greenwood may take a view that the club are impacting on his career by dragging a decision out - employment law will apply here. There’ll be a club code of conduct but it won’t account for things like this, i wouldn’t have thought.

The whole thing is a mess. There’s an argument either way on this, but it needs sorting.

[Fuck the Glazers]

I'd be surprised if this was the end of the situation. I can see it rearing its head again. Like I said, victims often go back to abusers many times.

Fuck him off and get it done.

[dozer]

I'd be surprised if this was the end of the situation. I can see it rearing its head again. Like I said, victims often go back to abusers many times.

Fuck him off and get it done.

It's also likely that he does something like this again.
If he gets back to the club, he's not just getting back his professional career, he's also getting back his GF who's now "upgraded" their relationship to being his wife and the mother of his kid. Considering that he's still kind of a kid, I wonder what he'll take away from all this "reward" from his actions.
Having said that, I do see merit in the counter argument that why should the club (and even the fans for the matter) bother getting involved in judging Greenwood and bother dealing with the situation if the victim and her family members are cool with it without formally accused him, and considering that they've upgraded their relationship with him.

[Felwin]

Why are they putting it on the women's team to decide? They're getting shitloads of grief from pro Greenwood fans

The top bollocks at United have bottled making the decision cos they're scare of the flak, so they're letting players publicly decide. It's bullshit. The players should have been consulted but privately so they don't become the focus. And it should have been as part of a wider decision making process consulting female fans too. Again, privately.

Under the Glazers there's a history of fucking cowardice from those at the top that can't hack it, can't hack the responsibility but who are all too ready to take millions

I hadn't even considered this angle. It really is cowardice. Let the women's team and the supporters group take the flak instead.

The Glazers really are horrible parasite cunts.

Regarding the finer details of the case and Greenwood's relationship with the woman who originally pressed charges, I really don't think it's our place to speculate about any of that.

The right thing to do would be to terminate his contract, accepting whatever payout would have to be made. He deserves a second chance in life, but not to be a top footballer (a career that would undoubtedly make him powerful and an idol for young people). If some other club wants to hoover him up and try and rehabilitate him, then he's their problem and they'd have to live with any potential fallout.